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It'due south Fun to Play the Piano ... Delight Pass It On! |  | | | 73 members (anotherscott, Animisha, Bill McClellan, 13bwl, BBJones, boocheese, 15 invisible), 811 guests, and 455 robots. | | Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod | | | Joined: May 2012 Posts: 7,439 7000 Post Club Member |  7000 Post Guild Member Joined: May 2012 Posts: 7,439 | Hello Harpon - Welcome to Piano World! It'southward one of those sounds which everyone hears, but is hard to define. Difficult hammers are certainly 1 of the causes, merely nosotros also tend to equate "honky-tonk" with being out of tune. Please be conscientious when shopping for used pianos. To set up the problems and make the piano audio acceptable to you usually costs more than the piano is worth. You'd exist better off finding something you like from the start and piece of work from at that place. Information technology just takes a little extra time to play an assortment of pianos. Have fun!
Marty in Minnesota It'southward much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play 1. | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 25,681  Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member | | Yikes! 10000 Post Social club Fellow member Joined: May 2001 Posts: 25,681 | Harpon : As MM indicated, it's more than likely the honky-tonk results from the piano beingness out of tune than anything else. If someone is trying to sell a piano and information technology is not in tune, ask the seller to accept information technology tuned. If s/he refuses to do then, immediately cross information technology off your list and go expect for another piano! Regards,
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Republic of estonia 190 | | | Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 290 Total Member | | OP Full Member Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 290 | Well this piano didn't audio terribly out of tune- it was about a half-step off but in melody with itself- however there was something almost the sound- It's been a calendar month now= my commencement impression was that the hammers were insensitive somehow- and I was hearing too much assail I think- it just wasn't a warm sound somehow- I started wondering if there was some way to soften the hammers-
maybe merely a gentle cleaning to get years of dust off the surface I also wondered if it was merely the angle they were engineered with-
It would be interesting to be able to compare the sound when it was new to how it is now Terminal edited by harpon; 08/28/14 03:02 AM. | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: six,272  6000 Mail Club Member | | 6000 Post Club Member Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,272 | If the price is depression enough and everything else looks practiced, yous might still go alee with the bargain. Only pay your own tuner/technician to check it over first. Since it's out of melody, that should definitely include torque testing the pins to see if it'southward not tuned considering it won't hold. If that's the case, free is too expensive.
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Kawai FS690 | | | Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 290 Full Member | | OP Full Member Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 290 | No I didn't become through with the deal- and won't. The sound was an instant turn-off- and I was kinda anticipating having another piano after several years now without- surprised myself walking away- only really did not like the sound It got me thinking maybe a digital is just the mode to go-
I hate to turn them on- but at least they're ever in tune and more portable- I worry slightly a piano might not concord with the floor and or foundation of my old house. Terminal edited past harpon; 08/28/14 03:08 AM. | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 15,252 Yikes! 10000 Postal service Club Fellow member | | Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: xv,252 | My (high-finish) digital has a 'Honky-Tonk' setting amidst its thirty manufactory presets (all of them piano sounds). As the tuning can exist altered globally besides every bit for individual strings, I can hands 're-melody' information technology to sound less honky-tonk  . When I completely 'melody' it, information technology still doesn't audio similar a modern pianoforte, because information technology is somewhat lacking in the low bass and farthermost highs, and the sound is a piddling mellow & 'shallow' - similar an upright c 1950. So, true 'honky-tonk', it seems to me, isn't just detuned strings simply is also an one-time-world upright tonal character. BTW, Cinnamonbear's piano recordings on his quondam Lester spinet (which you can hear in the Members' Recordings in Pianist Corner) take a honky-tonk character though his piano is (mostly) in melody.
"I don't play accurately - anyone tin play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. Equally far as the pianoforte is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I continue science for Life." | | | Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,819 Yikes! 10000 Mail service Lodge Fellow member | | Yikes! 10000 Mail Club Member Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,819 | I concord that the "Honky-Tonk" sound has mostly to do with the tuning... it is basically an out of tune piano. Actually hard hammers help as well, I suppose. I've read that some "Honky-Tonk" piano lovers put thumb-tacks in the strike-signal of the hammers to help achieve that sound, only that's a piddling extreme in my view... One of my YouTube music videos of me playing one of my old "Honky-Tonk" pianos has garnered over 680,000 views; so, I guess some people like the audio... or practise they just like me, menstruation?  Rick
Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the style y'all would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Aqueduct | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 25,681 Yikes! 10000 Post Club Fellow member | | Yikes! 10000 Post Club Fellow member Joined: May 2001 Posts: 25,681 | It'south my understanding that back in the day, thumb tacks were put in all the hammers to give it that effect. So you might cheque to encounter if there are any in the Wurlitzer.  Isn't that only a chip "tacky"? Thanks!
BruceD
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Estonia 190 | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 15,252 Yikes! 10000 Post Society Fellow member | | Yikes! 10000 Postal service Order Member Joined: October 2010 Posts: xv,252 | Aaron Copland specified a honky-tonk with bullet holes (preferably from a sub-machine gun) for the piano solo in his ballet Rodeo (Ranch House Political party). Practise cowboys use machine-guns?
"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life." | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 260 Full Member | | Full Member Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 260 | My dad played piano at Shakey's Pizza Parlour and a number of other establishments in the 1960s. He used to talk almost people shellacking the hammers of a piano to become a honky-tonk issue. In the early 1980s, I recal playing an upright at a friend's house that had a lever that would lower a strip of leather or vinyl in front of the strings, with metal rivets or tacks at the betoken where the hammers would striking, resulting in a twanging honky-tonk sound. I had not thought of that pianoforte for thirty years, until this thread reminded me of information technology. At present with a little assistance from google, I see that this device is chosen a mandolin track: http://world wide web.perfessorbill.com/aid/help.htm
http://en.1000.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tack_piano I agree that the vast majority of honky-tonk sounding pianos are just out of tune (and many of them, subsequently decades of neglect, are not really capable of holding a good tuning anymore). However, it may be that this piano y'all tried had the hammers lacquered to deliberately give it a honky-tonk audio. | | | Joined: May 2012 Posts: vii,439 7000 Post Club Member | | 7000 Post Society Member Joined: May 2012 Posts: 7,439 | Harpon, The way to "soften" hammers is past a process known as voicing. This is a very skilled process and isn't usually attempted by piano owners. Sometimes, hammers are but too far gone for resuscitation. Y'all are better off finding a piano in better condition from the start rather than trying to employ Heloise's Helpful Hints. Pianos tin can easily become money pits if the original purchase was unwise.
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